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good afternoon my name is Robert Salas

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in 1967 I was the first lieutenant

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station at Maelstrom Air Force Base

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Montana

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I was a missile launch officer

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and in March on March 24th 1967 I was on

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duty at what we called Oscar flight

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it is a

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underground capsule

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Hardin side

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about 60 feet underground we had

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security guards top side uh the main

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guard is called a flight security

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controller

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my commander at the time was uh

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Lieutenant Fred meywald now

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Colonel retired Colonel Fred Milo

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uh

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sometime in the evening hours on March

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24th I I received a call from one of my

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top side guards the flight security

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controller stating that they had been

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observing strange lights in the sky

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making odd maneuvers

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and wanted to report it I thought it was

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kind of strange report but I took it

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seriously I have to understand we were

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protecting nuclear weapons and we the

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reports we generally got were very

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professional

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uh at any rate I kind of dismissed the

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call he called back about five minutes

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later

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this time he was screaming into the

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phone saying they're looking

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at an object a red glowing object

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hovering just above our front gate

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uh this object was about 30 feet in

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diameter

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uh he couldn't make out too much the

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details of the object

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only that it was pulsating and uh and uh

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had all the guards out there he was very

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frightened

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uh wanted me to give him Direction

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I think I said something like make sure

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nothing comes inside the perimeter fence

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uh

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he immediately hung the phone up we I

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went to wake my commander friend my one

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who's taking a rest break

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started to tell them about the phone

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call and just as I told him our missiles

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began going into what's called a no-go

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condition or unlaunchable essentially

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they were disabled while this object was

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still hovering over our site our launch

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at that point we went through our

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procedures he reported to back to the

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command post the incident

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we also had some security lights

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meaning security incursions at some of

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the launch facilities

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uh so I called the guard back upstairs

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um directed that a security team be sent

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out

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at this point the guard told me the

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object had left at high speed

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again silent no noise

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uh

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the security guards got out to the

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launch facility and reported back that

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they were seeing this object again they

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also lost radio contact

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the this incident

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the the security alarms

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the missiles themselves were still

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disabled uh we had to call in for

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maintenance uh maintenance teams had

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come out and uh and bring them back up

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on alert the uh the main indication we

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got from our equipment was this was

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I wanna I wanna emphasize that the

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security people upstairs had no control

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authority over they had no equipment up

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there no ability to affect any kind of

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system shut down on our missiles all the

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control systems were Underground

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we were relieved the next morning and

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reported back to the command post uh I'm

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sorry the the base Maelstrom uh reported

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to our squadron commander

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he was why does she didn't know how to

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explain the event he's a uh I asked him

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specifically if it could have been an

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Air Force exercise

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and he assured me that it was not an Air

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Force exercise

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there was also a member of the Air Force

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office of special investigations in in

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the room

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he uh ordered us to not ever talk about

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this

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I even signed a non-disclosure statement

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this was and I didn't talk about it

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until 1994 I was able to um come across

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to a little uh paragraph in a book

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called Above Top Secret by Timothy good

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and on page three on one of that book

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there's a short paragraph about

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missiles being shut down while UFOs were

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overhead

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at that point uh with the help of Mr

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James klotz by investigator we requested

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the Air Force to send us documents about

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this shutdown not none mentioning the

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word UFO

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uh we we did get the Air Force to

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declassify what was what would call the

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echo flight incident

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let me back up a little bit during the

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report to the command post uh my my

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commander Fred Meyer turned to me and

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said the same thing happened at another

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site at the time I thought he met that

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that evening but uh it turns out the

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same thing had happened a week earlier

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at another site and

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and he was probably referring to the

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echo flight

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at that point when we start when we got

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the echo flight incident Declassified I

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was able or I felt I was able to come

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forward and start talking about it

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because I thought that's where I was it

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wasn't until later I found out it was at

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Oscar flight and I realized

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that not only our flight had gone down

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of 10 missiles but uh the echo flight

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also went down uh about a week earlier

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on March 16th we had extensive

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documentation on the echo flight

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incident uh uh that we received from the

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Air Force Under Federal Information Act

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we have the testimony of

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Walt feagle who was the deputy uh

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missile crew Commander at Echo flight

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we have I have a couple letters from the

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commander Eric Carlson

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I'm sorry a telephone interview about

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this in

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1996 and I've got that on tape and he's

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given me permission to use that

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so we've got auto audio recordings of

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some of these Witnesses we've got

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written statements we've got

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documentation from the Air Force

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all of this supporting what I just told

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where I think we should go from here but

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right now I'll turn it over to the next

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good afternoon my name is Dwight arneson

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I want to give a

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kind of an adjunct testimony to what Bob

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is already spoken about

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after graduating from college with

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degrees in physics and math I entered

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the Air Force

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got a commission and served 26 years as

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a communication Electronics officer in

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positions all over the world including

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Vietnam

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my highest clearance of held was top

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secret crypto special compartment

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for those of no occurrences

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you've got to be almost squeaky clean to

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get that

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back in 1967 I was officer in charge of

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the communications center at the 28th or

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division in Great Falls Montana

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I was also the crypto custodian I was a

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top secret control officer for the

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division and I passed out nuclear launch

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I can clearly recall a message coming

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through my Communication Center which

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basically said well Bob has already

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talked about that UFO did in fact shut

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down several missile silos in Montana

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not being a missile type I didn't know

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Oscar flight from Echo flight so I

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couldn't relate to any of those details

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but the fact was that a missile missiles

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command of a Radar Site in Maine which

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periodically my security cop and I met

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with the sac Security Police

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distinctly they told us that UFOs were

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areas at Lauren Air Force Base which was

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I don't know what the details were I

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nukes were damaged or deactivated I

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never saw a report on that so I really

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after retiring from the Air Force I went

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to work for Boeing as a computer systems

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analyst

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Bob didn't mention this but one of my

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he was the engineer selected by a Boeing

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to go out and investigate the UFOs that

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the missiles that were shut down

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he living close by where I lived in

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to discuss UFOs and other topics

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and he says Arnie those things were

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perfectly clean and they did not go down

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by themselves

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he then went on to say that halfway

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through the investigation the Air Force

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sent Boeing a message which said

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stop the investigation and do not repeat

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do not send us a report

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three different occasions

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and no uh no hesitation at all

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in conclusion

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I've studied UFOs for over 60 years

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believe it or not and I am convinced

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that somebody out there is trying to

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send us a message if I know who they

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were I probably would not be here

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good afternoon

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my name is Robert Jamison between

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January 1965 and October of 1967 I was

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stationed at monster Air Force Base as a

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combat missile targeting team Commander

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our main job

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was to point the missiles in the right

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direction also we may be dispatched from

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time to time to a restart in case any

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missile goes off alert we have to

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restart and verify the targeting data in

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March of 1967 I was on alert for

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dispatch

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that evening I got a call from job

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control saying and missile going down an

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Oscar flight go out and restart it

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which was nothing unusual up to this

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I called my team then I went down into

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the to the hangar as soon as I got to

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the hangar some acquaintances of mine

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approached me says Bob do you know what

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and he says well a missile a UFO was

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cited over Lewiston Montana actually

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over Roy Montana lewistown's the nearest

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town of any significance

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but over that Lewis Roy Montana which is

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the center of Oscar flight and went out

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of UFO at the same time that UFO was

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over there all of Oscar flight went down

288
00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:41,820
well that was highly unusual

289
00:12:46,790 --> 00:12:43,860
I went to job control to verify it and

290
00:12:48,889 --> 00:12:46,800
yes they confirmed it

291
00:12:51,949 --> 00:12:48,899
and I was looking at the status board

292
00:12:54,230 --> 00:12:51,959
they have where they have a map the

293
00:12:56,810 --> 00:12:54,240
whole wing and those everything was

294
00:12:58,370 --> 00:12:56,820
green all the lights they have missed

295
00:13:00,769 --> 00:12:58,380
lights for the missile sites all the

296
00:13:02,509 --> 00:13:00,779
lights were green except one corner in

297
00:13:06,050 --> 00:13:02,519
the upper right hand corner was all red

298
00:13:08,990 --> 00:13:06,060
all of Oscar flight was down

299
00:13:11,030 --> 00:13:09,000
I mentioned to them that doesn't happen

300
00:13:13,550 --> 00:13:11,040
he says well it happened once before

301
00:13:15,889 --> 00:13:13,560
about a week before are you all four was

302
00:13:17,690 --> 00:13:15,899
cited over Echo flight about the same

303
00:13:18,590 --> 00:13:17,700
time all missiles and Echo flight went

304
00:13:20,449 --> 00:13:18,600
down

305
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he says other than that and this this is

306
00:13:23,210 --> 00:13:21,240
it

307
00:13:25,190 --> 00:13:23,220
has never have happened before

308
00:13:26,870 --> 00:13:25,200
personally I'm never aware of any two

309
00:13:29,269 --> 00:13:26,880
missiles going down at the same time let

310
00:13:31,129 --> 00:13:29,279
alone 10.

311
00:13:34,009 --> 00:13:31,139
I also learned

312
00:13:35,150 --> 00:13:34,019
UFO the people in job control was

313
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telling me

314
00:13:40,310 --> 00:13:37,500
then earlier that day

315
00:13:41,629 --> 00:13:40,320
now UFO was cited over Belt Montana

316
00:13:44,629 --> 00:13:41,639
another

317
00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:44,639
town in Montana small town east of

318
00:13:50,030 --> 00:13:46,560
monstrum

319
00:13:53,150 --> 00:13:50,040
and it went into a canyon

320
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and immediately they notified the Air

321
00:13:57,230 --> 00:13:55,079
Force we sent A team out there to

322
00:13:58,970 --> 00:13:57,240
investigate it and sure enough there was

323
00:14:00,410 --> 00:13:58,980
a UFO apparently at the bottom of that

324
00:14:02,509 --> 00:14:00,420
Canyon

325
00:14:04,610 --> 00:14:02,519
jump control to let me go over to the

326
00:14:06,110 --> 00:14:04,620
emergency command policy house set up in

327
00:14:09,290 --> 00:14:06,120
the Colonel's briefing room I had access

328
00:14:11,569 --> 00:14:09,300
to that location I went over there

329
00:14:14,150 --> 00:14:11,579
the room was too crowded to really gain

330
00:14:15,889 --> 00:14:14,160
anything I did hear radio contacts with

331
00:14:17,569 --> 00:14:15,899
a team out on the field mentioning

332
00:14:19,850 --> 00:14:17,579
lights at the bottom and everything but

333
00:14:21,769 --> 00:14:19,860
I didn't uh couldn't get too close

334
00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:21,779
enough to really find out what was going

335
00:14:26,030 --> 00:14:23,760
going to happen

336
00:14:27,650 --> 00:14:26,040
I left

337
00:14:29,930 --> 00:14:27,660
the room and started wandering around

338
00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:29,940
getting my team ready went into

339
00:14:34,490 --> 00:14:32,399
debriefing we always go before the job

340
00:14:36,170 --> 00:14:34,500
we go to a debriefing here's where they

341
00:14:38,329 --> 00:14:36,180
give us information such as road

342
00:14:40,370 --> 00:14:38,339
conditions and

343
00:14:42,050 --> 00:14:40,380
weather conditions things we might

344
00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:42,060
expect out in the field

345
00:14:45,530 --> 00:14:44,160
so I went over there

346
00:14:47,810 --> 00:14:45,540
and they went through the normal

347
00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:47,820
debriefing and then they said to me I

348
00:14:51,590 --> 00:14:49,920
want you to go to another table at the

349
00:14:52,910 --> 00:14:51,600
other end of the briefing room for a

350
00:14:55,150 --> 00:14:52,920
special briefing

351
00:14:57,650 --> 00:14:55,160
I went over there and another NCO

352
00:14:59,810 --> 00:14:57,660
approached me

353
00:15:01,970 --> 00:14:59,820
I knew him because he sometimes are it

354
00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:01,980
was our debriefer or briefer

355
00:15:06,050 --> 00:15:04,320
and he says look we have a problem we

356
00:15:08,030 --> 00:15:06,060
have UFOs in the area they've been

357
00:15:09,710 --> 00:15:08,040
messing with our missile sites

358
00:15:11,870 --> 00:15:09,720
there's certain procedures we want you

359
00:15:12,769 --> 00:15:11,880
to do if you should see one out in the

360
00:15:14,449 --> 00:15:12,779
field

361
00:15:15,889 --> 00:15:14,459
and he proceeded to tell me what to do

362
00:15:18,829 --> 00:15:15,899
if we're out on the road

363
00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:18,839
we see a UFO we do not go to the

364
00:15:22,430 --> 00:15:20,160
launcher but instead to the nearest

365
00:15:23,569 --> 00:15:22,440
launch control facility also we call Job

366
00:15:24,410 --> 00:15:23,579
control and let them know what we're

367
00:15:27,170 --> 00:15:24,420
doing

368
00:15:29,030 --> 00:15:27,180
if we're at a site and we're penetrating

369
00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:29,040
then we have to stop what we're doing

370
00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:31,440
remove ourselves from the site call job

371
00:15:35,569 --> 00:15:33,600
and show we'll have radio controls radio

372
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:35,579
contact with all these

373
00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:37,440
called the job control

374
00:15:41,269 --> 00:15:39,660
and wait for further instructions now or

375
00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:41,279
if we're at the site and we're doing our

376
00:15:45,050 --> 00:15:42,120
work

377
00:15:47,210 --> 00:15:45,060
I have to take myself my team and the

378
00:15:49,550 --> 00:15:47,220
targeting tapes go into the launcher

379
00:15:51,769 --> 00:15:49,560
close the Personnel hatch now with all

380
00:15:53,629 --> 00:15:51,779
the teams before you go into the field

381
00:15:54,350 --> 00:15:53,639
we'll take our take with us an armed

382
00:15:56,210 --> 00:15:54,360
guard

383
00:15:58,670 --> 00:15:56,220
that's just normal

384
00:16:01,310 --> 00:15:58,680
we have to leave the one guard armed

385
00:16:03,230 --> 00:16:01,320
guard on top all by himself

386
00:16:04,910 --> 00:16:03,240
and he's supposed to report to job

387
00:16:07,069 --> 00:16:04,920
control or the launch control facility

388
00:16:09,410 --> 00:16:07,079
or what he was seeing

389
00:16:11,210 --> 00:16:09,420
and they said I says okay but then he

390
00:16:13,610 --> 00:16:11,220
says one other thing don't leave yet

391
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:13,620
we're going to hold everybody back until

392
00:16:17,449 --> 00:16:15,839
we're sure that all the activity out in

393
00:16:19,009 --> 00:16:17,459
the field has ceased at least for the

394
00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:19,019
time being

395
00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:20,880
so I waited around about an hour half

396
00:16:25,550 --> 00:16:23,279
he's all ready to go and they contacted

397
00:16:28,129 --> 00:16:25,560
me and says okay you can go down

398
00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:28,139
so I went with my team we went out to

399
00:16:31,970 --> 00:16:29,040
the field

400
00:16:33,769 --> 00:16:31,980
we went restarted we had to go to Oscar

401
00:16:35,629 --> 00:16:33,779
flight that's not a very pleasant thing

402
00:16:38,090 --> 00:16:35,639
Oscar flies 120 miles the furthest

403
00:16:39,290 --> 00:16:38,100
flight from the base and in Air Force

404
00:16:41,870 --> 00:16:39,300
trucks that's not the most comfortable

405
00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:41,880
ride but nevertheless we went out to

406
00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:43,680
Oscar flight

407
00:16:47,689 --> 00:16:45,600
and we restarted I think it's either

408
00:16:49,550 --> 00:16:47,699
three or four missiles this is where Bob

409
00:16:50,990 --> 00:16:49,560
was at the time

410
00:16:52,490 --> 00:16:51,000
we restarted three or four of their

411
00:16:54,650 --> 00:16:52,500
missiles

412
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:54,660
the startups were successful

413
00:16:58,430 --> 00:16:56,880
and I saw no incidents in the field when

414
00:17:00,230 --> 00:16:58,440
I came back

415
00:17:01,730 --> 00:17:00,240
we have to go through a debriefing first

416
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:01,740
things I asked them upon return to the

417
00:17:06,289 --> 00:17:04,559
base what about this missile out in belt

418
00:17:07,850 --> 00:17:06,299
where he says as soon as light daylight

419
00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:07,860
came it was going to send Choppers over

420
00:17:12,650 --> 00:17:10,740
it was night time when they first

421
00:17:15,049 --> 00:17:12,660
saw it and it was because no one's going

422
00:17:16,850 --> 00:17:15,059
to have him scale down the mountain at

423
00:17:18,169 --> 00:17:16,860
night time so they were going to send

424
00:17:20,449 --> 00:17:18,179
some Choppers down and scale the

425
00:17:21,890 --> 00:17:20,459
mountain scale the canyon daylight time

426
00:17:22,970 --> 00:17:21,900
but since daylight time came up this

427
00:17:25,130 --> 00:17:22,980
thing shot up right through the

428
00:17:27,470 --> 00:17:25,140
everything it just disappeared more or

429
00:17:32,090 --> 00:17:29,930
so that uh

430
00:17:35,810 --> 00:17:32,100
with that now

431
00:17:38,510 --> 00:17:35,820
also about a week later

432
00:17:40,850 --> 00:17:38,520
I also heard that a UFO was cited over

433
00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:40,860
India flight there's a partial shutdown

434
00:17:45,230 --> 00:17:42,960
I think four or five missiles went was

435
00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:45,240
shut down at India flight with the UFO

436
00:17:49,130 --> 00:17:47,280
overhead not the whole flight and I had

437
00:17:50,450 --> 00:17:49,140
to go out and restart at least two of

438
00:17:52,669 --> 00:17:50,460
them

439
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,679
and then rest of my time at Montana I

440
00:17:57,230 --> 00:17:54,480
was involved in no more further UFO

441
00:18:08,409 --> 00:17:57,240
incidents nothing else happened

442
00:18:15,650 --> 00:18:12,710
good afternoon my name is Charles I halt

443
00:18:16,909 --> 00:18:15,660
I retired from the U.S Air Force in 1991

444
00:18:19,250 --> 00:18:16,919
as a colonel

445
00:18:22,130 --> 00:18:19,260
during my military career I was base

446
00:18:24,650 --> 00:18:22,140
commander of two large installations and

447
00:18:26,029 --> 00:18:24,660
the time of my retirement I was in the

448
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:26,039
Department of Defense inspector

449
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:27,600
General's office with total inspection

450
00:18:31,490 --> 00:18:29,760
oversight of all services on all service

451
00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:31,500
agencies

452
00:18:36,110 --> 00:18:33,600
in 1980 I was reassigned from the

453
00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:36,120
Pentagon to RAF bentwaters as the deputy

454
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:37,679
based Commander

455
00:18:41,150 --> 00:18:39,600
at that time bent Waters is one of the

456
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:41,160
largest tactical fighter rings in the

457
00:18:44,029 --> 00:18:41,760
world

458
00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:44,039
read the two base complex Woodbridge and

459
00:18:49,909 --> 00:18:46,260
bent Waters in England and four fols in

460
00:18:52,370 --> 00:18:49,919
Germany and two additional standby bases

461
00:18:53,930 --> 00:18:52,380
in December 1980 in the early in the

462
00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:53,940
morning several of our security

463
00:18:58,610 --> 00:18:56,160
policemen discovered strange lights in

464
00:19:01,250 --> 00:18:58,620
the forest in East Anglia just outside

465
00:19:04,070 --> 00:19:01,260
the back gate of RAF Woodbridge

466
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:04,080
three patrolmen starting peniston Airman

467
00:19:08,690 --> 00:19:05,760
Burroughs and Airman Cabana sack

468
00:19:11,090 --> 00:19:08,700
actually were dispatched into the forest

469
00:19:13,730 --> 00:19:11,100
and approached a craft they reported it

470
00:19:16,730 --> 00:19:13,740
being triangular approximately three

471
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:16,740
meters on a side dark metallic in

472
00:19:21,650 --> 00:19:19,679
appearance with strange markings

473
00:19:24,190 --> 00:19:21,660
they observed it for a period of time

474
00:19:27,230 --> 00:19:24,200
and it very quickly and silently

475
00:19:29,150 --> 00:19:27,240
vanished at high speed

476
00:19:30,830 --> 00:19:29,160
initially I was not aware of all the

477
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:30,840
details I was only told of strange

478
00:19:35,390 --> 00:19:32,640
lights and I was sure there was a

479
00:19:37,970 --> 00:19:35,400
logical explanation

480
00:19:40,370 --> 00:19:37,980
Slater at the family Christmas party

481
00:19:41,630 --> 00:19:40,380
we were interrupted the on-duty flight

482
00:19:43,970 --> 00:19:41,640
Commander for the Security Police

483
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:43,980
Squadron Lieutenant Bruce England came

484
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,600
and approached the base commander and I

485
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:47,520
he was white as a sheep

486
00:19:52,130 --> 00:19:49,200
he said it's back

487
00:19:55,070 --> 00:19:52,140
he said what's back he said the UFO

488
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:55,080
well we still I should say non-believers

489
00:19:57,710 --> 00:19:56,160
at that point

490
00:20:00,289 --> 00:19:57,720
since my boss had to do the

491
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:00,299
presentations I was tasked unfortunately

492
00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:02,880
to investigate so I went home and

493
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:04,260
changed clothes

494
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:06,000
I really expected to find a logical

495
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:07,919
explanation

496
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:09,840
I took several security policemen with

497
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:12,960
me a disaster preparedness NCO who took

498
00:20:18,650 --> 00:20:16,559
a APN 27 a gagger Connor and a camera I

499
00:20:21,650 --> 00:20:18,660
also had my small cassette recorder I

500
00:20:24,850 --> 00:20:21,660
carried everywhere when I was on duty

501
00:20:27,169 --> 00:20:24,860
I was taken to the supposed site we find

502
00:20:30,169 --> 00:20:27,179
indentations approximately an inch and a

503
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:30,179
half deep approximately six to eight

504
00:20:35,090 --> 00:20:33,120
feet on a side and radiation of eight to

505
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:35,100
nine times normal background radiation

506
00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:36,960
not enough to be dangerous to somebody

507
00:20:40,850 --> 00:20:38,760
but significant

508
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,860
we also find broken branches on the

509
00:20:43,789 --> 00:20:42,000
trees

510
00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:43,799
while we were Milling around trying to

511
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:46,380
make sense of the whole thing one of the

512
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:48,240
individuals with me suddenly spotted

513
00:20:51,230 --> 00:20:49,440
something

514
00:20:53,150 --> 00:20:51,240
off through the forest was a bright

515
00:20:54,830 --> 00:20:53,160
glowing object

516
00:20:57,529 --> 00:20:54,840
the best way I can describe that it

517
00:20:59,810 --> 00:20:57,539
looked like an eye with bright red with

518
00:21:02,390 --> 00:20:59,820
a dark Center it appeared to be winking

519
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,400
it would sort of it was shedding

520
00:21:05,330 --> 00:21:04,080
something like molten metal it was

521
00:21:07,370 --> 00:21:05,340
dripping off it

522
00:21:09,770 --> 00:21:07,380
it silently moved through the trees

523
00:21:11,630 --> 00:21:09,780
avoiding any contact it bobbed up and

524
00:21:14,810 --> 00:21:11,640
down and at one point it actually

525
00:21:16,909 --> 00:21:14,820
approached us we tried to get closer it

526
00:21:19,549 --> 00:21:16,919
receded out into the field Beyond the

527
00:21:20,990 --> 00:21:19,559
Forest and silently exploded into five

528
00:21:22,430 --> 00:21:21,000
white objects

529
00:21:23,930 --> 00:21:22,440
gone

530
00:21:25,549 --> 00:21:23,940
so we went out into the field looking

531
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:25,559
for any evidence because something had

532
00:21:29,149 --> 00:21:27,600
apparently been falling off it and we'd

533
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:29,159
we find nothing but while we were

534
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,440
searching around in the field one of the

535
00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:33,120
people with me noticed some objects in

536
00:21:37,610 --> 00:21:35,220
the sky to the north there were three or

537
00:21:40,190 --> 00:21:37,620
four objects in the north brightly

538
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:40,200
colored changing from elliptical to

539
00:21:44,750 --> 00:21:43,200
round and moving at very high speed and

540
00:21:46,370 --> 00:21:44,760
sharp angular movements as though they

541
00:21:48,409 --> 00:21:46,380
were doing a grid search

542
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,419
while we were watching them somebody

543
00:21:51,529 --> 00:21:50,159
else noticed to the South there were two

544
00:21:53,930 --> 00:21:51,539
objects

545
00:21:56,029 --> 00:21:53,940
just sort of hovering in the sky

546
00:21:58,370 --> 00:21:56,039
one object the process at very high

547
00:21:59,450 --> 00:21:58,380
speed best guess is three to five

548
00:22:01,610 --> 00:21:59,460
thousand feet somewhere in that

549
00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:01,620
neighborhood stopped directly overhead

550
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,200
and sent down a concentrated beam in our

551
00:22:08,450 --> 00:22:06,480
feet it was about one foot in diameter

552
00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:08,460
the best way I can equate it is sort of

553
00:22:14,029 --> 00:22:11,580
a laser beam we stood there in awe

554
00:22:15,470 --> 00:22:14,039
was this a warning was this an attempt

555
00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:15,480
to communicate

556
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,140
was this a weapon or just a probe just

557
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:21,600
as suddenly as it appeared click it

558
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:22,799
disappeared

559
00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:26,640
we stood there ah really concerned

560
00:22:30,409 --> 00:22:28,260
about that time we noticed the other

561
00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:30,419
object to the South was sanded on beams

562
00:22:33,770 --> 00:22:32,280
about a mile mile and a half away over

563
00:22:35,690 --> 00:22:33,780
Woodbridge base

564
00:22:37,970 --> 00:22:35,700
we had three different radios with us

565
00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:37,980
the police radio the security police in

566
00:22:41,630 --> 00:22:40,260
the radio and I had to commend that all

567
00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:41,640
three radios were functional we were

568
00:22:45,049 --> 00:22:43,500
talking to control centers they were

569
00:22:47,390 --> 00:22:45,059
constantly breaking up and we had great

570
00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:47,400
difficulties communicating but were able

571
00:22:51,169 --> 00:22:49,260
to discern that the when the police and

572
00:22:52,909 --> 00:22:51,179
Security net that some of those beams

573
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,919
were either falling into or near the

574
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:54,480
weapon storage area and there's a great

575
00:22:59,230 --> 00:22:56,400
deal of concern

576
00:23:01,490 --> 00:22:59,240
uh it really bothered me at the time

577
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,500
every time something of significance

578
00:23:04,909 --> 00:23:03,120
happened that night I kind of clicked on

579
00:23:06,590 --> 00:23:04,919
my little tape recorder and recorded it

580
00:23:07,789 --> 00:23:06,600
so I'd have a record of it for the next

581
00:23:10,370 --> 00:23:07,799
day

582
00:23:12,350 --> 00:23:10,380
unbeknownst to me a copy of that was

583
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,360
released by one of my co-workers several

584
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,400
years later and hence it was a lot of

585
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,320
publicity

586
00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:18,480
my superiors at the time were informed

587
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,480
what happened I briefed my boss I played

588
00:23:26,029 --> 00:23:24,000
the tape for him he listened intently

589
00:23:27,470 --> 00:23:26,039
he was aware of the incident because he

590
00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:27,480
was monitoring the night before on the

591
00:23:31,730 --> 00:23:29,460
radio he and several others were

592
00:23:33,049 --> 00:23:31,740
he took the tape to the third air force

593
00:23:34,610 --> 00:23:33,059
staff meeting the following Wednesday

594
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:34,620
third Air Force was the Air Force

595
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,820
Headquarters at that time in England

596
00:23:39,049 --> 00:23:38,159
played for General Baisley the commander

597
00:23:41,770 --> 00:23:39,059
and staff

598
00:23:44,270 --> 00:23:41,780
they all sat silently

599
00:23:46,010 --> 00:23:44,280
the decision was that it happened off

600
00:23:47,270 --> 00:23:46,020
the base so it's a British Affair in

601
00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:47,280
other words they were loath to get

602
00:23:50,990 --> 00:23:49,740
involved so my boss came back and threw

603
00:23:53,149 --> 00:23:51,000
me the tape recorder and I said well

604
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:53,159
what do we do boss he said get with

605
00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:54,480
squadronator Moreland who was the

606
00:24:00,049 --> 00:23:57,000
British liaison officer and do a report

607
00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:00,059
it's uh their problem not ours

608
00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:02,520
gosh here I am kind of caught in the

609
00:24:07,730 --> 00:24:04,620
middle and I'm a junior guy here well

610
00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:07,740
why did I ever get involved well

611
00:24:12,049 --> 00:24:09,480
Squadron either morning was on vacation

612
00:24:13,370 --> 00:24:12,059
in Wales at the time he came back and he

613
00:24:15,169 --> 00:24:13,380
was quite upset that he was in the

614
00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:15,179
middle of the thing too so he said we're

615
00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:17,580
in a memo so I wrote a show called

616
00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:20,100
cleaned up memo just kind of unexplained

617
00:24:24,169 --> 00:24:22,740
lights just to kind of tickle their get

618
00:24:26,690 --> 00:24:24,179
them to come out and investigate and

619
00:24:28,669 --> 00:24:26,700
look into the thing well I gave it to

620
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:28,679
Moreland unbeknownst to me Moreland sent

621
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,840
a copy to his Superior third Air Force I

622
00:24:35,149 --> 00:24:32,880
didn't know that at the time the copied

623
00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:35,159
mod was apparently buried in the files

624
00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:37,380
days turned into weeks and weeks turned

625
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:38,940
into months and I almost forgot about

626
00:24:45,710 --> 00:24:41,520
the incident to be honest with you

627
00:24:48,529 --> 00:24:45,720
gave up uh several years later one of my

628
00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:48,539
co-workers was playing a copy of my tape

629
00:24:52,610 --> 00:24:50,460
cocktail parties and caught somebody's

630
00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:52,620
ear somebody started asking questions

631
00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:55,080
and he said oh halt wrote a memo the

632
00:24:58,850 --> 00:24:56,580
next thing we know there was a freedom

633
00:25:00,649 --> 00:24:58,860
of information request came into bent

634
00:25:02,990 --> 00:25:00,659
Waters of course there was no official

635
00:25:04,909 --> 00:25:03,000
copy we didn't have word processors in

636
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:04,919
those days we used typing manifolds in

637
00:25:08,690 --> 00:25:06,360
the old typewriters we were just

638
00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:08,700
transitioning and the only copy was an

639
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,580
onion skin that I had in my desk so my

640
00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:12,720
boss went back and said there's no

641
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,340
official record of it

642
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:16,320
well somebody else found out the third

643
00:25:19,789 --> 00:25:18,000
Air Force had a copy

644
00:25:21,409 --> 00:25:19,799
Pete Dent good personal friend of mine

645
00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:21,419
was the acting third Air Force Commander

646
00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:23,700
called me and he said hey Chuck I've got

647
00:25:26,269 --> 00:25:25,080
to copy this memo we're going to have to

648
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,279
release it

649
00:25:30,890 --> 00:25:29,039
I said please burn it your life and mine

650
00:25:34,490 --> 00:25:30,900
will never be the same you and I don't

651
00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:34,500
need this well did I say more the tape

652
00:25:39,649 --> 00:25:37,140
came out I'll be nice to me the memo

653
00:25:41,630 --> 00:25:39,659
came out in a lot of publicity but the

654
00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:41,640
events certainly happened now some

655
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:43,020
things have happened since and I was

656
00:25:46,909 --> 00:25:44,580
very innocent at the time and believed

657
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,919
what I was told I asked the OSI if they

658
00:25:50,049 --> 00:25:48,960
had an interest and I was told oh no not

659
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:50,059
at all

660
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,760
wrong I found out later that the Airmen

661
00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:55,200
were how should I say pretty harshly

662
00:25:58,669 --> 00:25:57,059
interrogated that were involved I have

663
00:26:00,890 --> 00:25:58,679
never been debriefed

664
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,900
I also found out later

665
00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:02,880
that the tire operator

666
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:04,860
at both the tower operators at bent

667
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:07,679
Waters saw an object and picked it up on

668
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,200
her bright two radar and watched it I

669
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,760
found out that the tire operator and

670
00:26:15,169 --> 00:26:13,440
weapon storage area actually saw

671
00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:15,179
something added a car man who was

672
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:17,100
working there and saw it go down into

673
00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:18,659
the forest near us

674
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:21,539
and also several other people around the

675
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,220
base saw it

676
00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:25,919
uh it's kind of interesting what do we

677
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,140
see I have no idea what we saw that

678
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:30,000
night I do know it was under intelligent

679
00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:32,100
control and in my personal opinion it

680
00:26:41,490 --> 00:26:33,480
was either From Another Dimension or

681
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:46,730
[Music]

682
00:26:57,010 --> 00:26:51,169
good afternoon my name is Jerome Nelson

683
00:27:00,010 --> 00:26:57,020
from 1962 to 1965 I was an atlas ficbm

684
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:00,020
Deputy missile combat crew Commander

685
00:27:08,169 --> 00:27:03,600
assigned to the 579th Strategic missile

686
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:11,690
sometime during the winter of 1963

687
00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:15,720
through 1964 while I was on alert Duty

688
00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:18,360
in the launch control center in Atlas

689
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,100
site Nine West of Roswell my top side

690
00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:25,440
security guard called me on the

691
00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:27,740
telephone and reported a bright light

692
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:32,520
that is a that is a fully illuminated

693
00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:35,340
round object was hovering silently over

694
00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:37,620
the missile silo and Shining a light

695
00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:40,020
down onto it

696
00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:42,600
I could tell that he was serious in his

697
00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:45,000
voice revealed he was very frightened

698
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:47,400
after perhaps five minutes the object

699
00:27:51,890 --> 00:27:49,260
left the vicinity

700
00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:51,900
even before it left I called the

701
00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:54,779
base command post at Walker Air Force

702
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,299
Base and reported the incident

703
00:28:02,029 --> 00:27:59,760
I was concerned the object would somehow

704
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:02,039
sabotage the missile

705
00:28:06,409 --> 00:28:04,440
I was surprised by the response I

706
00:28:08,169 --> 00:28:06,419
received being told that the command

707
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:08,179
post would take on

708
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:11,400
the unauthorized Excursion under

709
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:13,320
advisement

710
00:28:19,149 --> 00:28:16,320
I was never degriefed by my commander or

711
00:28:21,769 --> 00:28:19,159
anyone else which I found quite broadly

712
00:28:24,649 --> 00:28:21,779
and frustrating

713
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,659
over the next month or so this type of

714
00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:26,640
incident occurred several more times

715
00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:30,419
while I was on duty at site nine I would

716
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:32,580
estimate the total number

717
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:36,000
as more than three but fewer than ten

718
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:38,820
on each occasion I would call a command

719
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:41,760
post but each time a report was met with

720
00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:44,700
the same apparent indifference

721
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:47,460
during each of this incidents I

722
00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:51,360
witnessed the guard would call

723
00:28:56,990 --> 00:28:53,940
the launch control center and Report the

724
00:29:00,110 --> 00:28:57,000
UFO several guards were involved over

725
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:00,120
time and were all obviously frightened

726
00:29:07,250 --> 00:29:04,080
by the object hovering over the site

727
00:29:09,409 --> 00:29:07,260
their voices were actually trembling

728
00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:09,419
because of my duties in the launch

729
00:29:14,450 --> 00:29:11,880
control center I could not go top side

730
00:29:18,049 --> 00:29:14,460
and look at the objects myself

731
00:29:20,169 --> 00:29:18,059
only decades later that I did I learned

732
00:29:23,810 --> 00:29:20,179
that at least one missile facility

733
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:23,820
technician Bob Kaplan had been ordered

734
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,000
to report to the office of special

735
00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:29,520
investigations on base and make a report

736
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,980
about the similar

737
00:29:38,930 --> 00:29:33,840
incident he had

738
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:41,750
at the time this development was kept

739
00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:44,880
from me in my missile Commander I do not

740
00:29:50,210 --> 00:29:47,100
know whether anyone else was interviewed

741
00:29:57,769 --> 00:29:50,220
by The OSI but I wasn't

742
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:59,990
well good afternoon uh ladies and

743
00:30:04,190 --> 00:30:01,919
gentlemen my name is uh Patrick

744
00:30:06,889 --> 00:30:04,200
McDonough and uh

745
00:30:09,310 --> 00:30:06,899
I'm here today to relate an experience

746
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:09,320
that happened to me in September of

747
00:30:15,169 --> 00:30:12,779
1966. since 44 years ago

748
00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:15,179
but that experience was so significant

749
00:30:20,269 --> 00:30:17,820
uh it was basically burned in my memory

750
00:30:22,490 --> 00:30:20,279
I haven't forgotten about it at all

751
00:30:25,070 --> 00:30:22,500
but I am getting older and I did want to

752
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:25,080
put this experience and relate it on the

753
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:26,000
record

754
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,080
a little background on me I had

755
00:30:34,210 --> 00:30:32,640
enlisted in the Air Force in Berkeley

756
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:34,220
California

757
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:39,200
in their first week of November 1962

758
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:42,240
at the onset of the Cuban Missile Crisis

759
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:46,500
it was going I felt patriotic and up to

760
00:30:49,549 --> 00:30:47,700
that time I had been studying

761
00:30:51,769 --> 00:30:49,559
Engineering in college I had three years

762
00:30:53,769 --> 00:30:51,779
of engineering and the Air Force

763
00:30:57,710 --> 00:30:53,779
considering my background

764
00:31:00,889 --> 00:30:57,720
trained me to be a geodetic surveyor

765
00:31:04,269 --> 00:31:00,899
and I was assigned to 1381st geodetic

766
00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:04,279
survey Squadron in Orlando Florida

767
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:07,559
we basically

768
00:31:12,350 --> 00:31:08,760
uh

769
00:31:14,830 --> 00:31:12,360
in 1965 we moved to Warren Air Force

770
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:14,840
Base uh in Wyoming

771
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:19,020
on average I would spend nine ten months

772
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,000
a year

773
00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:22,880
on temporary Duty

774
00:31:28,990 --> 00:31:26,520
surveying for latitude and longitude at

775
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:29,000
our missile sites and aircraft

776
00:31:34,510 --> 00:31:32,520
bases for positioning missile and

777
00:31:37,610 --> 00:31:34,520
aircraft guidance systems

778
00:31:39,370 --> 00:31:37,620
basically the squadron's mission was to

779
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:39,380
provide precise

780
00:31:44,889 --> 00:31:42,720
geographical coordinates for a missile

781
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:44,899
or an aircraft

782
00:31:49,070 --> 00:31:47,700
inertial guidance system so that it

783
00:31:52,190 --> 00:31:49,080
would the missile aircraft would know

784
00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:52,200
exactly precisely where it was at when

785
00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:55,020
it takes off well the intelligence

786
00:31:59,210 --> 00:31:57,240
agencies would provide the targeting

787
00:32:03,889 --> 00:31:59,220
information

788
00:32:07,610 --> 00:32:03,899
in early of September of 1966

789
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:07,620
myself and two other Airmen a Airman

790
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:10,440
First Class L Cramer and a Airman third

791
00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:13,140
class Charlie coats we were temporarily

792
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,500
assigned to Maelstrom Air Force Base and

793
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:18,000
uh

794
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:19,740
we're

795
00:32:26,930 --> 00:32:23,520
ordered to provide or perform the

796
00:32:28,570 --> 00:32:26,940
initial geodetic surveys for the last 50

797
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:28,580
missile sites there there already was

798
00:32:37,010 --> 00:32:32,480
150 Minuteman one sites and we were

799
00:32:40,730 --> 00:32:37,020
putting in the last 50 for the wing

800
00:32:42,649 --> 00:32:40,740
and basically we were assigned to the

801
00:32:45,409 --> 00:32:42,659
site activation task force they called

802
00:32:49,149 --> 00:32:45,419
sataf it was a

803
00:32:52,850 --> 00:32:49,159
and Boeing really the prime contractor

804
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:52,860
we were given a government truck no

805
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:53,820
radio

806
00:33:00,409 --> 00:32:57,120
anything in it that I was the chief of

807
00:33:03,169 --> 00:33:00,419
party I was The Observer on our small

808
00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:03,179
three-man Team Al was the recorder

809
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,100
Charlie was we were trying to train him

810
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:07,919
both in observing and recording

811
00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:10,679
we arrived normally would arrive at a

812
00:33:17,889 --> 00:33:13,980
missile site at about uh in early

813
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:17,899
evening we'd set up our instruments

814
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,640
and basically what I was doing was the

815
00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:23,279
star observation to provide

816
00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:26,760
precise latitude and longitude on the

817
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,340
night of this incident that happened we

818
00:33:35,230 --> 00:33:31,440
were completing a series of what we call

819
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:35,240
Celestial Astro Azimuth observations

820
00:33:40,909 --> 00:33:37,740
southeast of Conrad

821
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:40,919
and I was doing the observing Al was

822
00:33:46,130 --> 00:33:43,679
recording and Charlie was assisting now

823
00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:46,140
with the chronometer on the time hacks

824
00:33:49,570 --> 00:33:47,220
as I

825
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:49,580
tipped on Polaris

826
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:52,620
the unusual thing about this missile

827
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,679
site I was at was that

828
00:34:01,730 --> 00:33:57,200
the

829
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:01,740
blast hatch of The Silo was open

830
00:34:06,169 --> 00:34:03,919
and that was very unusual

831
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:06,179
normally when I go to these missile

832
00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:07,380
sites even though they were not

833
00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:09,899
activated yet with a missile they were

834
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:12,599
always closed the monoliths were there

835
00:34:18,609 --> 00:34:14,960
we do four monoliths and

836
00:34:22,369 --> 00:34:18,619
do a precise quadriangle

837
00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:22,379
and the work we did was very precise it

838
00:34:26,329 --> 00:34:23,639
uh

839
00:34:30,109 --> 00:34:26,339
involved a lot of it's basically all

840
00:34:33,409 --> 00:34:30,119
using star shots and uh

841
00:34:34,430 --> 00:34:33,419
so here's a site that we arrive at in

842
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,440
the

843
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:36,480
blast hatch is open

844
00:34:40,849 --> 00:34:39,060
and we're nearing completion of the star

845
00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:40,859
observations we had been to the other

846
00:34:45,490 --> 00:34:43,260
three monoliths and I was at the

847
00:34:47,930 --> 00:34:45,500
monolith thought the uh

848
00:34:51,790 --> 00:34:47,940
next to the hatch

849
00:34:53,770 --> 00:34:51,800
and it was probably about 1 1 30

850
00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:53,780
in a

851
00:35:00,290 --> 00:34:56,940
unidentified flying object came from the

852
00:35:01,070 --> 00:35:00,300
north and stopped right over us

853
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,080
um

854
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:04,320
it uh I would say it was a

855
00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:08,160
well probably about uh altitude of 300

856
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:10,020
feet or so maybe a little higher it's a

857
00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:13,200
little hard to tell in the dark uh it

858
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:16,020
was round it had uh

859
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:18,300
uh I would estimate its diameter at

860
00:35:24,190 --> 00:35:21,480
about 50 feet kind of like a pretty

861
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:24,200
large you know like a wingspan of a B-52

862
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:26,820
something something in that range it's

863
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:29,820
pretty large they seem to have pulsating

864
00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:32,240
lights going around it

865
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:35,880
and it had a white light from the center

866
00:35:42,370 --> 00:35:39,960
looking down into the silo

867
00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:42,380
there was no wind there was no noise

868
00:35:46,930 --> 00:35:45,480
still only stayed there maybe 20 30

869
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:46,940
seconds at most

870
00:35:54,349 --> 00:35:51,839
and then uh I I just remember I'm

871
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:54,359
staring up at the stars right I'm

872
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:57,359
I'm a pretty Keen Observer of uh of

873
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:00,240
what's uh above me here in the celestial

874
00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:04,200
spirit there and uh I just said to

875
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,320
myself what if this thing uh beams beams

876
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:09,599
us up and takes us off to some distant

877
00:36:14,030 --> 00:36:12,660
place and uh never returned Earth again

878
00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:14,040
I mean this is going through my head

879
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:15,660
here while there's things above me and

880
00:36:20,050 --> 00:36:18,720
and then from this dead stop it shoots

881
00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:20,060
off to the east

882
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:22,380
just like now you see it now you don't

883
00:36:28,430 --> 00:36:24,540
it just two

884
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:28,440
um so after this UFO departs uh I grab

885
00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:31,140
my instrument and jumped in the truck

886
00:36:35,569 --> 00:36:34,020
behind the steering wheel and off we

887
00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:35,579
went and we weren't about to be there if

888
00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:38,280
it came back we we didn't have guards

889
00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:40,260
with us because there was no missile we

890
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,640
didn't have a radio because we're not

891
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,200
really

892
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:45,359
um in contact with the Air Force Base I

893
00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:46,560
don't know any of this other stuff is

894
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,660
even going on to be honest with you I

895
00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:50,160
mean this is we're just kind of out

896
00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:52,500
there on our own doing these doing these

897
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:55,619
sights and mailing our material back it

898
00:36:59,569 --> 00:36:57,300
was uh

899
00:37:02,270 --> 00:36:59,579
I wasn't even aware there was a UFO

900
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:02,280
problem per se but as it turned out the

901
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:05,820
night's uh events weren't uh totally

902
00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:07,800
over with us at that point as we sped

903
00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:10,020
away and on our way back to Conrad and

904
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:10,740
uh

905
00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:16,320
Army Corps of Engineers had base rocked

906
00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:17,880
all the roads to take the weight of

907
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,740
these missiles they were bringing in and

908
00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:22,079
of course these are new sites and they

909
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:24,540
took down all the signs to make the

910
00:37:29,930 --> 00:37:28,079
roads wider and I go over the hill and

911
00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:29,940
come down the headlights come down

912
00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:31,880
there's no Road there a teed you know

913
00:37:37,370 --> 00:37:35,460
and so I tried to make a you either went

914
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:37,380
to the right or left I tried to go to

915
00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:40,560
the left to uh

916
00:37:47,050 --> 00:37:43,500
towards Conrad and the truck flipped

917
00:37:50,329 --> 00:37:47,060
over and we ended up upside down

918
00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:50,339
fortunately none of us were hurt we

919
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:53,220
walked probably about two hours to a

920
00:37:59,569 --> 00:37:55,560
near nearby Farmhouse if you call that

921
00:38:00,829 --> 00:37:59,579
nearby and called the Montana highway

922
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:00,839
patrol

923
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:03,420
they the farmer drove us back to the

924
00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:06,000
accident site and it was interesting

925
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,300
when the highway patrolman arrived as we

926
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:11,280
told them you know how did this occur he

927
00:38:15,650 --> 00:38:14,400
was asking us and told them that his

928
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:15,660
dispatch had told him there had been

929
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:19,440
over 20 reports to the uh to his office

930
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:23,880
that night in reporting a UFO in the

931
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:29,329
um I wrote instant incident reports to

932
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:41,930
regarding the accident but you know what

933
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:43,500
was interesting was I never heard

934
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:46,500
anything from the Air Force regarding

935
00:38:53,810 --> 00:38:50,640
the incident and I never had to there

936
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,820
was no uh retribution or reimbursement

937
00:38:57,290 --> 00:38:55,680
required for me for rolling this truck

938
00:39:00,109 --> 00:38:57,300
and this truck had 18 miles on it that

939
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,119
afternoon I was a new truck okay so the

940
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:03,119
nothing I heard nothing so this is this

941
00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:04,560
part was good because I didn't really

942
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:07,380
want to buy the truck

943
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:11,280
I uh I went back to my headquarters uh

944
00:39:18,109 --> 00:39:15,359
at Warren Air Force Base uh and uh

945
00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:18,119
uh about a month and a half later I was

946
00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:21,060
discharged I did not mention uh wrecking

947
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:22,980
this truck up in Montana on one of my

948
00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:26,040
tdys they didn't ask me and I uh I

949
00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:27,480
didn't mention it I didn't want to buy

950
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,220
it and uh

951
00:39:34,270 --> 00:39:31,920
but I must say now my four years that I

952
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:34,280
had with this geodetic survey Squadron

953
00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:37,320
uh I had worked on the latest missiles

954
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:39,780
and aircraft in in the U.S Air Force

955
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:43,500
inventory and I I worked

956
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,980
everywhere uh on these guidance systems

957
00:39:51,710 --> 00:39:48,320
and

958
00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:51,720
we or I never saw anything in the Air

959
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:53,579
Force inventory that could perform like

960
00:40:00,589 --> 00:39:56,400
this UFO did it's uh I don't know what

961
00:40:02,510 --> 00:40:00,599
it was but uh we sure didn't have any I

962
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:02,520
never saw anything like it

963
00:40:07,069 --> 00:40:05,520
um and I'd like to thank all of you for

964
00:40:08,530 --> 00:40:07,079
being here today and I thank the

965
00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:08,540
national Press Club

966
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,380
hopefully someday uh the uh well known

967
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:14,880
in the near future that the government

968
00:40:24,609 --> 00:40:17,700
will perhaps release any information

969
00:40:24,619 --> 00:40:32,230
foreign

970
00:40:38,329 --> 00:40:35,329
ER I don't have any exciting stories

971
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:38,339
like rolling a truck with 18 miles on it

972
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,320
oh and from 1974 to 1976 I was a combat

973
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:45,119
crew Commander I'm a captain in the Air

974
00:40:48,290 --> 00:40:47,460
Force stationed at Fe Warren Air Force

975
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:48,300
Base

976
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,839
at the 400th SMS and assigned to Romeo

977
00:40:56,510 --> 00:40:53,280
flight

978
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,520
in the fall of 76 my Deputy who I'll

979
00:41:00,650 --> 00:40:58,560
call Sand because he's not given me

980
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:00,660
permission to release his name

981
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,660
we were on alert trying to stay awake we

982
00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:05,280
were listening to the conversation

983
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,320
between the flight security controller

984
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:09,119
of the top side NCO

985
00:41:13,609 --> 00:41:11,220
and the Strategic alert team the

986
00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:13,619
security alert team SATs

987
00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:16,200
kind of that was one way to stay alert

988
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:19,260
because the sac duty is moments of

989
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:22,500
terrorists with hours of boredom

990
00:41:28,609 --> 00:41:25,260
and suddenly we heard the FSC call the

991
00:41:31,069 --> 00:41:28,619
SAT team and say stop the vehicle

992
00:41:32,089 --> 00:41:31,079
uh get out of the vehicle look around I

993
00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:32,099
didn't tell them where to look or

994
00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:33,480
anything

995
00:41:39,170 --> 00:41:36,540
and Sam and I look at each other

996
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,180
and then he said what do you see and he

997
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:41,040
said oh I don't see anything I don't see

998
00:41:43,790 --> 00:41:42,000
anything

999
00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:43,800
holy bleep

1000
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:47,460
I I do see a white pulsating light in

1001
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,020
the sky

1002
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:51,359
that's maybe seven or eight miles away

1003
00:41:56,930 --> 00:41:54,240
the FSC asked where it was he sent us to

1004
00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:56,940
the north he says it's pretty close to

1005
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:57,900
where the

1006
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,900
the launch control facility is

1007
00:42:04,670 --> 00:42:03,119
so I Deputy I did a double take we

1008
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:04,680
called upstairs

1009
00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:06,780
and we said what's going on he said

1010
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:08,040
you're not going to believe this Captain

1011
00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:11,520
but right above us there's a huge white

1012
00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:14,040
thing pulsating light

1013
00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:17,640
above us and I had to call them to make

1014
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:20,040
sure I wasn't seeing anything

1015
00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:22,440
all the time prodding he told us it was

1016
00:42:27,890 --> 00:42:25,079
shaped like a fat cigar I think he said

1017
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,900
a pregnant cigar white pulsating light

1018
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,240
between the pulsations he saw red and

1019
00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:32,400
red and blue lights

1020
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:35,460
uh it was silent because I prided him

1021
00:42:40,130 --> 00:42:38,220
saying is is it some for a helicopter he

1022
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,140
said no it's very silent

1023
00:42:44,450 --> 00:42:42,480
we're talking to him for several minutes

1024
00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:44,460
and he says it's starting to move away

1025
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:46,980
Along our Access Road

1026
00:42:53,569 --> 00:42:49,920
so we hung up my deputy and I saying

1027
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,579
what do we do we gotta report this he

1028
00:42:58,010 --> 00:42:55,200
calls down the efficacy calls down

1029
00:43:00,530 --> 00:42:58,020
shortly and says it's over one of our

1030
00:43:02,030 --> 00:43:00,540
launch facilities the muscle silos and

1031
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:02,040
it was the closest one along the access

1032
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,780
road so I ordered the SAT team to go to

1033
00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:08,160
that site

1034
00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:10,680
and they called in to through the FSC so

1035
00:43:14,329 --> 00:43:12,839
they had to go back for batteries

1036
00:43:16,609 --> 00:43:14,339
all

1037
00:43:18,589 --> 00:43:16,619
and they were a little slow getting out

1038
00:43:20,569 --> 00:43:18,599
so I was kind of ordering them come on

1039
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:20,579
get get on get going

1040
00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:23,760
and at the same time we contacted uh SAC

1041
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:26,520
command post and actually Warren

1042
00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:28,920
and the NCO answered and we told him the

1043
00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:31,800
story and he laughed and said when it

1044
00:43:36,650 --> 00:43:33,780
eats the SAT team

1045
00:43:38,569 --> 00:43:36,660
call me back

1046
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:38,579
so

1047
00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:41,520
if that team never got to that LF it

1048
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:43,380
silently moved again to another launch

1049
00:43:47,569 --> 00:43:45,420
facility we called this that team three

1050
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:47,579
or four times I'm sorry we called

1051
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,160
command plus three or four times the

1052
00:43:54,890 --> 00:43:52,319
last time and we got the same nonchalant

1053
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:54,900
attitude the last time I said are you

1054
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:57,839
logging this and they said no

1055
00:44:02,329 --> 00:44:00,660
so I said give me the officer in charge

1056
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,339
and he said well he's busy I said well

1057
00:44:05,089 --> 00:44:03,839
you could give me the officer's charge

1058
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,099
or I'm going to wake up the base

1059
00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:07,440
commander the squadron commander because

1060
00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:08,940
there's something going on something's

1061
00:44:12,770 --> 00:44:11,220
messing with my lfs they were mine for

1062
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:12,780
that period

1063
00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:16,680
so the officer came on I said you need

1064
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,300
to log this or I'll wake everybody up he

1065
00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:20,640
said he would he called us his NCO a

1066
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:22,200
different NCO who called us back a few

1067
00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:24,359
minutes later took the log of what had

1068
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:26,700
happened in a timely sequence

1069
00:44:32,809 --> 00:44:29,520
so it went to another LF the SAT team

1070
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,819
had to come back through gas Dennis said

1071
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:34,560
it had car trouble

1072
00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:37,680
It could only go five miles an hour

1073
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,400
so a long story short after several you

1074
00:44:46,010 --> 00:44:43,920
know about an hour and a half the flight

1075
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:46,020
security control said he could see it

1076
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:48,180
over another launch facility down still

1077
00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:51,359
down the road and then he said it

1078
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:54,300
suddenly and suddenly just went away up

1079
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:58,680
to the star size and then disappeared

1080
00:45:02,569 --> 00:45:00,660
though that was it was exciting rest of

1081
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:02,579
the tour the next day we were leave by

1082
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,099
another crew to go back home

1083
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:07,920
and I went upstairs and the FSC is is

1084
00:45:13,309 --> 00:45:10,560
lying like in a chair in almost a fetal

1085
00:45:16,010 --> 00:45:13,319
position and I talked to him and he was

1086
00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:16,020
scared he said I can't sleep I can't get

1087
00:45:20,270 --> 00:45:18,060
that thing out of my mind and I said

1088
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:20,280
what the heck was with the SAT team

1089
00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:21,660
he said

1090
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:23,400
both my deputy and I were prior service

1091
00:45:26,030 --> 00:45:25,200
so we got a long wall with the enlisted

1092
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:26,040
guys

1093
00:45:29,530 --> 00:45:27,839
so I said if you promise not to tell

1094
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:29,540
anybody

1095
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:32,940
they told me they were not going to go

1096
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:35,760
to any LF with that thing over

1097
00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:38,400
no direct orders no nothing and in fact

1098
00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:39,900
they never left the launch control

1099
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,460
facility

1100
00:45:46,730 --> 00:45:43,920
we picked up the Quebec team on the way

1101
00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:46,740
back real quick Quebec crew because

1102
00:45:53,390 --> 00:45:50,040
Quebec was on the way to Romeo and Sac

1103
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:53,400
like to save a little gas so we we roads

1104
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,480
here

1105
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:56,640
and they told us that earlier that

1106
00:45:59,870 --> 00:45:57,540
evening

1107
00:46:03,290 --> 00:45:59,880
they had the same sort of

1108
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:03,300
uh thing flying over several of their

1109
00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:05,460
launch facilities

1110
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,980
and I said what happened you reported it

1111
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:10,079
and they said are you crazy

1112
00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:12,000
we didn't report it we're not going to

1113
00:46:15,170 --> 00:46:12,900
report it

1114
00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:15,180
I said well I did he said well if you

1115
00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:17,160
tell them about us we're going to say it

1116
00:46:21,290 --> 00:46:18,420
never happened

1117
00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:21,300
they so we went back home I reported to

1118
00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:24,119
my squadron commander the next few we

1119
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:25,740
always have departure meetings when you

1120
00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:27,480
go out for alert the next several

1121
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:30,119
departure meetings we had an unusual

1122
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:33,839
visitor we had a officer in a uniform

1123
00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:37,260
telling us that you may have heard wrong

1124
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,060
was about about this it didn't happen

1125
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:41,760
it's top secret and I wanted to stand up

1126
00:46:47,089 --> 00:46:44,880
and say which is it didn't it happen or

1127
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,099
is it top secret

1128
00:46:51,490 --> 00:46:49,680
so that's my event I think

1129
00:46:56,980 --> 00:46:51,500
Mr Salas

1130
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,450
[Music]

1131
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,200
uh what you have heard here today is

1132
00:47:06,829 --> 00:47:04,079
evidence of a phenomenon it sounds

1133
00:47:08,809 --> 00:47:06,839
fantastic and it is fantastic

1134
00:47:10,730 --> 00:47:08,819
um we presented this evidence of the

1135
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:10,740
public interest of open government our

1136
00:47:14,329 --> 00:47:12,780
signatures on affidavits and the press

1137
00:47:17,089 --> 00:47:14,339
kit that you have

1138
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:17,099
attest to the truth of our statements

1139
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:21,119
our evidence is now public domain the

1140
00:47:24,109 --> 00:47:22,380
real question is what is the public

1141
00:47:26,089 --> 00:47:24,119
going to do with it um

1142
00:47:28,010 --> 00:47:26,099
this testimony it has been a general

1143
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:28,020
practice of the media

1144
00:47:32,990 --> 00:47:30,900
to scoff at these kinds of stories make

1145
00:47:35,089 --> 00:47:33,000
light of such testimony

1146
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:35,099
we can only ask that you take the time

1147
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,960
to get some serious consideration not

1148
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:38,880
only to our statements

1149
00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:42,000
but to the statements of other Witnesses

1150
00:47:47,089 --> 00:47:44,220
out there who have similar incidents

1151
00:47:50,809 --> 00:47:47,099
there is also documentary evidence so

1152
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,819
that helps support what we have said

1153
00:47:55,730 --> 00:47:53,280
we hope you'll take the time to at least

1154
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:55,740
take a look at those research this a

1155
00:48:00,410 --> 00:47:56,880
little bit

1156
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,420
and um if you do I think you'll come to

1157
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,359
the same conclusions that we have

1158
00:48:08,809 --> 00:48:06,240
that is that the UFO phenomenon is real

1159
00:48:11,569 --> 00:48:08,819
not imaginary

1160
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:11,579
there's current excessive secrecy in our

1161
00:48:17,870 --> 00:48:15,240
government surrounding this phenomenon

1162
00:48:19,550 --> 00:48:17,880
unknown aerial objects have in fact been

1163
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,560
observed over many of our nuclear

1164
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:21,119
weapons bases and other nuclear

1165
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:22,260
facilities

1166
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,420
and in some cases the appearance of

1167
00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:26,000
these objects

1168
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,560
coincided with compromising our the

1169
00:48:33,010 --> 00:48:30,660
operational Readiness of our nuclear

1170
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,020
weapons

1171
00:48:38,089 --> 00:48:35,280
although each of us might have different

1172
00:48:40,849 --> 00:48:38,099
opinions about the meaning and intent of

1173
00:48:43,069 --> 00:48:40,859
these incidents I think we can all agree

1174
00:48:48,190 --> 00:48:43,079
that the tampering with nuclear weapons

1175
00:48:53,569 --> 00:48:52,309
this is Air Force official policy on

1176
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:53,579
UFOs

1177
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,700
uh this is dated uh 2005 but I believe

1178
00:49:00,650 --> 00:48:58,800
it is current policy

1179
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:00,660
I'll just read

1180
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,079
one part of it it says no UFO reported

1181
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,720
investigated and evaluated uh by the Air

1182
00:49:10,190 --> 00:49:07,680
Force

1183
00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:10,200
uh was ever an indication of threat to

1184
00:49:16,809 --> 00:49:12,359
our national security

1185
00:49:23,230 --> 00:49:16,819
that is clearly misleading it is false

1186
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:26,569
this statement the decision to

1187
00:49:32,089 --> 00:49:29,880
discontinue UFO investigations was based

1188
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:32,099
on an evaluation of report prepared by

1189
00:49:38,510 --> 00:49:36,060
the University of Colorado on 1969 I

1190
00:49:40,990 --> 00:49:38,520
believe this was the infamous content

1191
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,000
committee study

1192
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,680
uh there are substantial evidence to

1193
00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:45,839
show that study was superficial and

1194
00:49:50,089 --> 00:49:48,300
biased in particular the Echo and Oscar

1195
00:49:52,010 --> 00:49:50,099
incidents I spoke about

1196
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:52,020
were never investigated by the county

1197
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,000
committee even though their principal

1198
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:55,920
investigator was well aware of these

1199
00:49:59,930 --> 00:49:57,420
incidents

1200
00:50:02,510 --> 00:49:59,940
obviously the testimony given here today

1201
00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:02,520
conflicts directly with that Air Force

1202
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:05,700
policy statement we asked our government

1203
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:08,640
answer to the public about the obvious

1204
00:50:15,130 --> 00:50:11,520
discrepancy between our testimony and

1205
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:17,930
indeed we demand an answer

1206
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,460
based on the foundation of our democracy

1207
00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:23,040
that says I want to paraphrase

1208
00:50:26,650 --> 00:50:24,780
Franklin Delano Roosevelt President

1209
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:26,660
Roosevelt

1210
00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:29,520
the people should be strong enough and

1211
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:33,000
well enough informed to maintain the

1212
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:38,690
probably I want to say I think I speak

1213
00:50:43,309 --> 00:50:41,040
for every one of us here

1214
00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:43,319
I have the utmost respect for all the

1215
00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:45,540
men and women in the U.S Air Force

1216
00:50:50,270 --> 00:50:48,780
I graduated from the Air Force Academy I

1217
00:50:52,849 --> 00:50:50,280
thoroughly enjoyed being a part of the

1218
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,859
Air Force and I was honored to serve my

1219
00:50:56,690 --> 00:50:54,480
country that way

1220
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,700
our disagreement and challenge to the

1221
00:51:00,530 --> 00:50:58,800
Air Force has nothing to do with the

1222
00:51:04,210 --> 00:51:00,540
people of the Air Force it has to do

1223
00:51:07,250 --> 00:51:04,220
with official Air Force policy

1224
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,260
and I think they are deliberately

1225
00:51:13,849 --> 00:51:09,200
withholding the facts

1226
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:13,859
not just and what you've heard here but

1227
00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:18,960
uh you know continuously since 1969

1228
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,940
and by doing so they're not allowing the

1229
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,280
people of this country to engage in the

1230
00:51:27,049 --> 00:51:24,960
decisions

1231
00:51:29,569 --> 00:51:27,059
regarding events that are clearly

1232
00:51:32,750 --> 00:51:29,579
National Security issues